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Notes from the June 18, 2008 Catalina Community Meeting with
the developer of the proposed Arber Ridge development off of Twin Lakes are now posted below.
Here you'll find notes from the meetings posted with the latest at the top.
Notes from the June 18, 2008 Catalina Community Meeting
This meeting was organized specifically to insure that residents were aware of the
upcoming rezoning hearing regarding the Arber Ridge development that was first presented to the
community back in April 2007. (For notes on that initial meeting, go to the News page of this site and scroll down to
that date.)
A few of us who had worked together with the Save Catalina group had heard that the
developer was going to do their second required presentation at the Village Council meeting on June 24....the night before
the Planning and Zoning hearing down at the County. We quickly booked the meeting space, assembled a mailing
list from the area map on the Pima County website, and then sent out information to about 40 abutters of the property to be
rezoned.
The initial purpose of our Community Meeting was to gather the residents to pass along what
many of us had learned during the 2003-4 High Mesa rezoning "debacle". We once again had the very UN-communicative
Village Council being used as an "official" community forum, and we wanted to make sure that the residents understood
the rezoning process and had all the information necessary to make an informed decision.
A few phone calls to Supervisor
Day's office by residents concerned that the timing of the already scheduled Village Council presentation was unfair and
inappropriate resulted in her office requesting that the developer present his plan at our meeting. The owner/developer,
Gani Berisha, contacted Wes Stolsek and agreed to meet with us.
Supervisor Day also attended the meeting.
From what I understand, the developer had not yet presented his plan at her office, so it was her first opportunity
to see the plan and hear what the developer had to say. It was also the perfect opportunity for her to hear the comments and
concerns of those who will be most affected by the development.
Arber Ridge looks like an attractive townhome
community with some nice ammenties and about 30% open space. It also appears to be a good transition from the commercial
area along Oracle Road to the acre-plus parcels to the East. The plan shows two-story townhomes on the ridge above Basha's,
but single-family homes flanking the entrance at the private road off Twin Lakes. Few in the audience could fault the
design, yet many were truly concerned about the density (142 residences on 20.5 acres) and the effect it would have on our
roads (Golder Ranch/Oracle intersection and Twin Lakes Drive), schools, and the acquifer.
Berisha's engineers
responded to the traffic issue at the Oracle/Golder intersection by calling it simply "bad designing" over
which the developers had no control. They do foresee making some changes to Twin Lakes Drive to straighten it and
add a turn-lane, stating clearly that any changes to that road would be made within the existing right-of-way and that no land
would need to be taken from residents along that road.
When asked whether he would be making a contribution
to the Amphi District, Mr Berisha answered that he will be giving $1,500 for each closing to the District, but would
NOT enter into an agreement that children in his development would get first rights to available seats in local schools because
of that contribution. This is significant and it's my hope that this would be made part of any rezoning he
might obtain for that property. For a number of years, the Amphi District has been entering into donation "agreements"
with developers which "exempt" the children in those subdivisons from being bused to less crowded schools .... even
as children immediately outside that subdivision might need to attend school in the southern portion of the district ...
due to overcrowding brought on by newly rezoned subdivisions. This policy is currently in effect at Black
Horse Ranch (although when I last checked with Amphi, busing had not become an issue for Catalina children...yet), and I think
Mr. Berisha should be commended for seeing thru the inequity of this Amphi policy.
The issue of water is the
one topic that will always, and justifiably, come up regarding a rezoning. Yet it is the one issue to which a deaf
ear is always turned. My hope is that, if this project becomes a reality, Mr. Berisha will employ rainwater harvesting
for irrigation, and offer grey-water plumbing and hot water recirculating pumps in all his units. Such forward-thinking
additions would add little to the cost of each unit, but present this project as one which is "conscious" of our
desert environment.
At the end of the developer's presentation, Supervisor Day told the gathering that the
Planning and Zoning hearing had been postponed from the original June 25 date until the end of July (sorry, I didn't hear
the exact day, but watch for it on this sites Home page). That was the right thing to do and to whomever faciltated
that change in date....thank-you!
In closing, I would ask that Pima County Development Services would recognize
and honor this fact about Catalina: Although the Catalina Village Council calls itself a "homeowners association",
it is not recognized as such by the residents of Catalina. There is little to no communication by that group to the
community at large, so to offer it to developers as the sole venue by which to fulfill their "community meeting"
requirement is just plain bad policy. Bad for the developer when it appears that a project is trying to be "slipped
thru" the cracks of community awareness, and bad for the community when already over-scheduled private citizens are forced
into action and an almost defensive posture.
Notes from the November 6, 2007 meeting
This Community Meeting was held in one of the classrooms at the new Golder Ranch Fire Training Facility.
It's a comfortable venue and available free to community groups by scheduling a date through the GRFD business office.
Patrick Cavanaugh, of Supervisor Day's office was on hand to answer questions and listen to concerns.
He's becoming such an integral part of these meetings that I feel the need to remind even myself how important it is to have
someone from that office taking the time to stay connected with the residents. I, and others, had emailed Ms. Day a
few months ago with our concern that the Village Council had become the only "accepted" venue for public input. She
responded the next day by phone, with a very adamant "I don't play favorites". She's been true to that statement, and
her office seems to have set the tone for the entire County "machine" to treat Catalina with a little more respect.
I won't go so far as to say it's all wine and roses, mind you. But it's a whole lot better than it's been for a very
long time. . Now to the night's invited guest.....many, many thanks to Don Carter for spending an hour of his time to
fill us in on the plans and progress of the Catalina Regional Park and answering questions from those in attendance.
An overview of the most significant points of the night's discussion is contained within his latest park update which can
be read at: Catalina Regional Park News and Info .
We all came away with the sense that Pima County had chosen the right man for the job. Many of us
had been concerned that this park, within Catalina, would become so "regional" as to not reflect the character of the community
that surrounded it, and that it's environmental significance would be ignored in favor of team-sports and development interests.
But it is clear that Don feels he is a steward for this land, and much of his efforts are toward bringing it back to its natural
state.
He spoke often of his desire to be responsive to the wishes of the community, and expressed a sincere invitation
for groups and individuals to call him with their ideas. He made it clear that he isn't in a position to "promise" anything,
yet he is in the perfect position to advocate residents' ideas to his superiors. Along those lines, Don said he had
been approached by various groups and individuals about forming a Friends of the Catalina Regional Park volunteer organization,
and that he would keep us informed of any progress in that direction. Don can be reached on his cellphone at 240-9493,
or at his Catalina headquarters on Trotter Lane at 818-3807.
We had some new folks this time....glad to see ya....with some input about the Lago del Oro Parkway area.
Traffic, and the speed of that traffic, seemed to be a great concern for those residents. One resident had gone so far as
to ask Pima County to do a traffic study and the results of that study were somewhat of a surprise, but perhaps not; ten-thousand
trips a day on Lago del Oro Parkway with the vast majority ending in Pinal County and Saddlebrooke. The County stated
that the 45 mph speed limit was dictated by the designation of the road, which is in the same category as Oracle Road as it
passes thru Catalina. Both Patrick and Don felt that once the Regional Park is opened to the public, the presence of
the park itself might become a "mitigating" factor in lowering the speed along Lago.
This led to a discussion of the routing of Saddlebrooke/Pinal County traffic down Columbus Blvd and Hawser
St once the improvements along Edwin Rd are completed. And this led to speculation of traffic snarls at the Golder/Oracle
intersection becoming even worse than they are now. As many were interjecting their personal stories of Pinal's impact
on Catalina and the potentional transportation nightmare that will come with the enormous number of homes planned for construction
just north of us, Wes brought up the issue of the Oro Valley annexation of the State Land just to the west of Catalina.
This State Land annexation is still in the planning stages, but Wes and others were invited to meet with
Oro Valley planning officials as a courtesy, as a kind of "heads-up" for what's coming down the pike. The maps will
be ready later this month, and public meetings concerning this will be taking place over the next couple of months.
(Have you ever noticed that public input stages for ALL the unpopular development projects happen over the holidays
when folks are too involved to "get involved"!!)
Patrick spoke at length about Pima County's involvement in this proposal, about the County's desire to maintain
open-space and the wildlife corridor between the mountains. There were many specifics to this discussion that I honestly
don't remember, but I'll see what I can find out and put together as this all progresses.
I brought up the fact that a few members of the Catalina Village Council, (a private non-profit organization
that has at times been either a charity or an HOA, a legal corporation or sometimes not!), had recently gone before the Northern
Pima County Chamber of Commerce with the intention, it seems, of claiming and exerting some kind of representational role
for this community. I stated "clearly" that no private citizen has the right to usurp my right to represent myself to
my officially elected government. To lend credence to "government by non-profit" is a dangerous practice and an insult
to the citizens whose voices will never be heard because someone else claims to have spoken for them.
The meeting broke up at close to around 8:45 with Wes committing to schedule another for January sometime
when we'll have more decisive information about the State Land issue. Patrick offered that he would help facilitate
getting Arlan Colton of the State Trust Land Department to come to that meeting.
As usual, I didn't take notes because it's almost impossible for me to do that and stay involved in the
discussion at the same time. If anyone has corrections or additions.....send them on.
Notes from the September 27 Community Meeting
There were fewer participants this time, which allowed more folks to speak directly with Supervisor Day's
aide, Patrick Cavanaugh. The more opportunity individual residents have to be heard, the more personal the relationship
between Catalina and our County government, and a greater probability that County decisions will be based on a broader
cross-section of residents' concerns.
A resident asked for clarification on a "rumor" that the County was still considering putting buildings
down in the Regional Park along Lago del Oro. Patrick's response was "absolutely not". We learned that some residents
had expressed great concern that barbed wire used to fence off the park to motorized vehicles would be hazardous to the wildlife
travelling the wash. The County has now changed that fencing to one with smooth wire at the top and bottom allowing
wildlife to go over or under safely.
Another resident asked what could be done when a private easement is washed out due to run-off from a neighboring
parcel. We were told that matters concerning private property, require civil (lawsuit) action. Private property is not
under the jurisdiction of the County. The question of whether the channeling of water off of private property would
fall under County permitting wasn't clarified.
At this point Patrick remarked that the development plans for High Mesa (now Arcadia) have been
returned 3 times for reworking of the run-off issue.
Two residents brought up the issue of increased run-off across Pinto Lane from development in Pinal
County. It also was requested that County transportation trim the vegetation on the shoulder of that road from Columbus
to Bowman.
The possibility of documenting a complete history of Catalina was raised, and a history done by local teens
in 1994 was shown to participants. That booklet titled, "Nightlights in the Desert", is available at the Catalina library.
I voiced my desire to have a "free movie night" sometime after the holidays with a showing of the documentary,
"Two Square Miles". The producers website is at: http://www.twosquaremiles.com
Wes felt that a presentation by Web Parton concerning the toxic landfill to the north and it's effect on
our drinking water would be a good thing for a future meeting. When I cynically chimed in with "but what can any of
us do about it", Patrick remarked that when researching the landfill documents a few years back in his role as investigative
reporter, documentation showed that all was well. He suggested that it would be prudent for we residents to stay informed
and "stay on top of" the status of that landfill's safety. Another resident suggested that folks could picket the Saddlebrooke
Ranch, or hand each realtor there a copy of the official report thereby legally requiring that realtor to "disclose" the information
to potential buyers.
Wes closed the meeting saying that we probably would wait a while before doing this again, and would schedule
the next gathering for the fire station where meeting rooms are available free to residents.
Some notes on the August 30th Catalina Community Meeting held at the Catalina Rec Center
First, thanks to all 52 of you for attending. It was YOU who created such a welcoming and open atmosphere
in which everyone felt free to voice their opinions and concerns. The whole evening affirmed for me that when people
are allowed their "voice" in an atmosphere of acceptance, no one needs to get angry to be heard. It was an informative
and enjoyable evening.
Wes Stolsek led the meeting, offering the floor to any member of the audience who wished to speak.
One of those in attendance was, Patrick Cavanaugh, from Supervisor Day's office, who took the floor to respond to concerns
or answer questions as needed.
Following are most of the announcements and issues discussed....in no particular order. If I've missed
anything, please let me know and I'll add it!
Linda Allyn and Connie Crosby spoke of the newly incorporated Catalina Community Arts Council and the semi-annual
Catalina Artists Studio Tour held in November and April. We learned that the Arts Council recently donated $2000 in
special art supplies to the Art Department at the Coronado School. Linda and Connie both expressed a desire that the
Arts Council be involved in the planning for the Art Plaza that is to be part of the Regional Park at Lago del Oro.
Appreciation for all their efforts was shown by a warm round of applause from the audience.
The upcoming Potential Bond 2008 meeting to be held on September 17 was announced (see News). When asked what those in attendance might want to see funded by bonds, responses ranged from renovating and expanding
the existing Recreation Center, to getting a new full-service library for Catalina, to preservation of open space. The question
of available land on which to place a library was raised. Patrick responded that sites were being researched.
The issue was raised that 28% of the usage at the Catalina branch is by Pinal County residents who use Pima's library at no
cost. Patrick responded that the County and Library administrations are researching ways to resolve that inequity.
Patrick announced that the Board of Supervisors had voted to reopen the greenwaste collection at the transfer
station during peak fire months. I believe those months are February- July. We were told that the decision to
close greenwaste was a budgetary measure, and the decision to reopen during peak fire months had to do with Catalina's proximity
to wildlands. We were also told that the County is considering charging Pinal County users more for using our transfer
station. The checking of drivers' licenses for place of residence was mentioned.
One resident asked about some new fencing along the Wild's Road crossing at the CDO. Patrick and others
believed it had to do with keeping ATV's off the park land. (You can find the latest "Park Update" on the News page of this site.
A resident raised the issue of increased run-off from Edwin Road seeming to be caused by the culvert recently
installed across Edwin during road construction. Many residents in the area were recently stranded as two washes crossing
Pinto Lane between Columbus and Forecastle were blocked off because of swift water. Pavement at the 27 Wash crossing
on Pinto was ripped away during that event.
Also discussed was the proposed Catalina low-frequency radio station, the tower for which will be at Vicki
Cox Realty and which is being and planned and staffed by residents of Saddlebrooke. Audience opinion ranged from
"so what" to adamantly opposed. Some people thought the station would be a pleasant addition to their daily lives.
Others felt a deep concern that Saddlebrooke residents were becoming too involved in our residents' daily lives. There
were many comments about the negative visual impact of a large tower on neighbors, and questions as to the actual ownership
of the license and station....CCS or the radio board of directors. I spoke of my concern for the reliability of information
being filtered thru the perception of non-residents with a very different perspective on "what's good for Catalina".
An audience member brought up the fact that $500,000 of Neighborhood Reinvestment Bond money was just awarded
to Catalina Community Services for a new facility at the old fire station on Hawser. The concern was that 2 members
of the Village Council attended the bond committee meeting at which the funding was decided claiming to represent community-wide
support of the funding. Many in the audience Thursday stated very clearly to Patrick that individuals sitting on the
VC were NOT representatives for Catalina, and should not be perceived as having any implied authority to speak for the residents.
Patrick responded that the bond committee required a "community group" to show support for the entity requesting funding.
Barry Richards, writer and webmaster for http://www.savecatalina.com, took the floor to discuss his concern about our water. He talked about the Paige-Trowbridge toxic dump site a few
miles north of Catalina and his belief that planned development around the site will seriously affect the quality of our diminishing
water supply. He referred us to his website for articles and outside links concerning this issue.
A newer resident to the area expressed a desire for more playgrounds in the area, citing that the Rec Center
was the only place with swings and grass for small children.
And while we're on the subject of "neighborhood" park space, I wonder how many of you know the history of
our Rec Center. It was built by the area residents themselves in the mid-seventies on land donated by E.B. Garner, and
was called the Catalina Youth Activies Center. The pool was later donated by Lloyd Golder. Catalina was just a
small area then, populated mostly by miners and their families. The women became concerned that their children had no
place to gather, so they took it upon themselves to have fund-raiser barbecues that drew folks from many miles around.
As they got enough money for materials, the men would work on the weekends often with the help of others from their workplaces.
Until just recently, the photos of their family members who served in U.S. armed forces, many now deceased, hung on the wall
inside the Center as a memorial. The portraits were recently removed, and we've heard rumors that the County has no
desire to invest any money into the center. Yet that building is solid, just as was the community spirit that raised
it and gave it life. Perhaps that is why gatherings held within its walls generate so much "cooperation". For
me, and perhaps for our community, the Rec Center is as much an historic building as any cathedral or antique home, and deserves
our efforts to preserve it, to keep it alive and useful. The folks that put their love and toil into creating it reflect
the same qualities of resourcefulness and independence that permeates Catalina today.
Just before the gathering finally broke up at 8:45, Wes asked if we should get together again to which the
response was a resounding, "yes". And as the residents walked out into the balmy night gathering in small groups to
discuss the evening, one couldn't help but feel the atmosphere charged and transformed by the collective "good will" of those
present. It was a good night!
Wes is planning to facilitate another Catalina Community Meeting near the end of September. He would
like your input and ideas, so feel free to contact him at: w_stolsek@comcast.net, or 825-0250; or you can email this website and I'll pass it along.
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